Best radar detectors of 2023, expert reviews

Best radar detector reviews of 2023

Radar detectors remain essential driving tools and now more than ever, there are a number great performing detectors available at prices that should fit every budget.

Perhaps you recently received a speeding ticket or saw someone else pulled over and don’t want to be in that situation yourself, so you are asking yourself what’s the best radar detector for 2023?

Given the current cost of speeding tickets, investing in a top performing radar detector is a smart investment that will pay for itself many times over.

Our expert radar detector reviews guide will help you make the best purchasing decision.

We have over 40 plus years of experience and no other radar detector review site can make this claim.

So you can rest assured we will point you in the right direction based on more than four decades of driving with them.

There are plenty of good choices out there, but for this review we pick the radar detectors that we consider the standouts with the Veil Guy’s Best Radar Detectors of 2023 Review & Comparison Guide.

Updated: 08-23-2023  by Veil Guy

Best Radar Detector Reviews of 2023

 

Review Introduction

While other detector review sites generally rate the best radar detectors by their sensitivity, our detector reviews consider responsiveness in alerting to police radar detections as being paramount.

All of the best radar detectors currently available, have plenty of radar sensitivity and alerting range (to constant-on police radar) and the differences separating them are not nearly as large as they once were.

Given this fact, it’s important to know that instant-on police radar (I/O) is a form of police radar that remains the most threatening to you and driving with a radar detector that is extremely sensitive but less responsive, is like driving with a radar detector that effectively has lower sensitivity.

Slow responding radar detectors may appear to do well with “filtering” or false alerting resistance, but can come with a steep price in making you more prone to missing an advanced alert from a vehicle ahead of you that is being targeted.

There are plenty of good choices out there, but for this review we pick the radar detectors we consider are the standouts.

Best Radar Detectors of 2023

 


Uniden R8: Best Overall

Uniden R8

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The Uniden R8 is simply the best dash-mount radar detector in 2023.  Simply put, we consider it the new king of radar detectors.

The Uniden R8 is infused with dual LNAs (low noise amplifiers to maximize performance and reduce its detectability to Spectre RDDs) and increased processing power.

The makes the Uniden R8 the most sensitive and capable windshield-mount radar detector we’ve ever driven with.

The R8 provides class-leading performance, blistering detection speeds, advanced filtering, and customizable configurations like no other and is a significant upgrade from the very capable Uniden R7.

The Uniden R8’s performance is only exceeded by the new Uniden R9 custom-installed remote and is our daily driver when we take our other vehicles that don’t have the Uniden R9 installed.

Pros

  • Best radar detector at any price
  • Exceptionally responsive to instant-on and quick-trigger police radar
  • Dual LNAs add sensitivity increases over the Uniden R7
  • Built-in GPS
  • Capable of detecting Sensys Gatso, Redflex, MestaFustion photo/speed radars
  • Dual antennas, directional arrows
  • Built-in bluetooth
  • Improved case design and layout
  • Backlit front buttons
  • Extremely “bright” and large multi-color OLED display
  • Ka-band segmentation for potentially increased performance and less falses on Ka-band
  • Multa Radar MRCD/MRCT detection without excessive falsing
  • Individual band sensitivity adjustments
  • Notch filters to help reject certain blind-spot monitoring systems (of GM, Honda, and Acura)
  • Multiple threat display with directional arrows
  • Most configurable audio and visual alarms
  • Nearly SPECTRE RDD undetectable
  • Single & dual suction cup mounting brackets included (unique to Uniden)
  • Audio alerts with direction, band, and frequency

Cons

  • Would be nice to have a magnesium case
  • Bluetooth connected smartphone apps not developed/fully realized
  • K-band CAS filtering has room for improvement

Uniden R8 Review Summary:

If you are looking for the most sensitive, the most responsive to instant-on radar,  and the ability to detect many of the exotic speed and photo radars out there, look no further than the Uniden R8.

And with our extensive driving experiences, it reigns supreme in the dash-mount category.

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Uniden R7: Best Value

Uniden R7

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The Uniden R7 remains one of our top picks even though the newer Uniden R8 is out.

When the Uniden R7 made its debut five years ago, it instantly become the top-rated and was one of the most coveted radar detectors available.

While its construction may not feel on par with either Escort or Valentine, it more than makes up for it with its huge and easily read display and its exceptional balance of the key elements of what we consider what makes a radar detector among the best ever made.

The fact the somewhat more capable Uniden R8 has since made its appearance, in no way takes away from the greatness of the Uniden R7 even to this day.

With continued improvements to its firmware and a big price drop (now only $499) we believe the Uniden R7 is the best bang-for-the-buck radar detector currently available.

We don’t have any hesitation in continuing to take it on our long trips or recommending it to others.

The Uniden R7 is the best value going.

Pros

  • Best value dual-antenna radar detector
  • Exceptionally responsive to instant-on and quick-trigger police radar
  • Dual LNAs add sensitivity increases over the Uniden R7
  • Built-in GPS
  • Capable of detecting Sensys Gatso, Redflex, MestaFustion photo/speed radars
  • Dual antennas, directional arrows
  • Built-in bluetooth
  • Improved case design and layout
  • Backlit front buttons
  • Extremely “bright” and large multi-color OLED display
  • Ka-band segmentation for potentially increased performance and less falses on Ka-band
  • Multa Radar MRCD/MRCT detection without excessive falsing
  • Individual band sensitivity adjustments
  • Notch filters to help reject certain blind-spot monitoring systems (of GM, Honda, and Acura)
  • Multiple threat display with directional arrows
  • Most configurable audio and visual alarms
  • Nearly SPECTRE RDD undetectable
  • Single & dual suction cup mounting brackets included (unique to Uniden)
  • Audio alerts with direction, band, and frequency

Cons

  • Would be nice to have a magnesium case
  • Bluetooth connected smartphone apps not developed/fully realized

Uniden R7 Review Summary:

If you are looking for one of the most sensitive and longest range dual antenna detectors capable of ferreting out the the most difficult to detect radars it remains the best choice, for the money, even though its performance has been eclipsed somewhat by the newer Uniden R8.

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Valentine V1 Gen2: Best Laser Detector

Valentine 1 Gen 2 - V1 Gen2
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The Valentine V1 has been around since the early 1990s when Cincinnati Microwave’s co-founder, Mike Valentine left Escort and ventured out on his own.  His small cadre of highly dedicated engineers produced their one and only radar detector.

The original Valentine V1 was way ahead of its time when it was first introduced.

Valentines were the only ones that offered both a front and rear facing radar antennas and provided directional arrows that would point to the source of a radar or laser threat.

I personally drove with the V1 for nearly 18 years, becoming intimately familiar with its steadfast operation.

Quite some time, however, has elapsed since then and VR’s patent on their multi-antenna has long since expired and other radar detector manufacturer have incorporated Valentine’s designs into their own platforms.

Hence, the one key differentiator of the V1 from every other radar detector no longer existed and even though the original V1 remained a fabulous radar detector and laser detector, its design relative to the other manufacturers was getting more dated with each passing year.

Which brings us to their next generation Valentine V1 Gen2.

The V1 Gen2 now incorporates LNAs and DSP, two things that other manufacturers have used for years.

The result is its detection performance is on par with the best radar detectors available today, such as the Uniden R8 and the Escort Redline 360c.

Like its predecessor, the V1 Gen2’s laser detection ability remains unmatched and this capability should never be discounted as I have personally benefited from advanced detection warnings of laser when another vehicle ahead of me was being targeted.

Beyond radar detection performance gains, the new V1 Gen2 incorporates Bluetooth into the detector without the needed for an attachment, which allows it to pair with Valentine’s free V1connection smartphone app enabling it to convey a wealth of information about its radar and laser encounters that the detector itself can not.

Even so, most other top-end radar detectors incorporate GPS, photo enforcement databases, have the ability to detect exotic speed radars, utilize multi-color displays, and can indicate radar frequency (important for determining what kind of radar you are encountering–important things both Valentine eschews.

As a consequence, the new V1 Gen2 feels immediately dated, like it’s stuck in the last century.

Valentine has marketed the importance of situational awareness for decades and yet the V1 Gen2 falls short in this regard, relative to others.

Despite the V1 Gen2’s design limitations, it will surely appeal to long-time Valentine users.

Pros

  • Valentine’s best radar detector to date
  • Extreme sensitivity to all police radar bands (no backsliding on bands found here)
  • The greatest sensitivity to police lasers, due to its large IR sensors
  • Exceptional ability to detect instant-on Ka-band police radars
  • Dual antennas, directional arrows
  • Built-in bluetooth
  • Magnesium case
  • Solid construction quality both externally and internally
  • Nearly SPECTRE RDD undetectable
  • Best arrowing transitioning in the business
  • Good BSM filtering

Cons

  • Already feels dated
  • Requires smartphone app to give advanced detection information
  • More difficult to program without smartphone app
  • Very limited display
  • No built-in frequency display of radar
  • No GPS
  • No MRCD/MRCT/Gatso detection capabilities
  • Not as responsive to instant-on K-band as the original V1
  • Misses Redflex photo radar before it’s too late

Valentine V1 Gen2 Reviews Summary:

The Valentine V1 Gen2 is a high-end radar detector whose potential is limited by a somewhat dated engineering-design philosophy.

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Escort Redline 360c: Best Undetectable

Escort Redline 360c

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The Escort Redline 360c was supposedly a radar detector that Escort could never build.

For years I was told such a radar detector would be too large in size given the complexity of the hardware.

But things happen.  In this case it was Uniden.

The game had been so substantially upped by Uniden that Escort couldn’t sit on their laurels and so the impossible, became the possible.

What Escort has done here is combine their best radar detector platform of the much revered Redline with the sophisticated bells and whistles of the Max 360c.

Escort claims a 6dB increase in sensitivity to radar, which makes it possible that the Redline 360c can alert to a threat at twice the distance of the Max 360c.

This puts the radar detection performance of the Redline 360c squarely in the neighborhood of the Uniden R8 and the new Valentine 1 Gen2.

At a price point of $799, I had originally believed Escort was going to have a hard time selling this detector, but this has not been the case.

Subsequent firmware updates have made this radar detector much more sure footed and more worthy of its lofty price point.

Like Escort’s other GPS radar detectors, the Redline 360c alerts very well to redlight and speed camera locations.

When configured optimally, the Redline 360c, Max 360c MkII, and MAXcam can be scary quiet and false-resistant to K-band collision avoidance systems.  But its quiet nature comes at a steep price–slow responsiveness to K-band.

In our opinion, this is the greatest weakness of this otherwise very fine detector.

On the positive side, the Redline 360c can now reliably detect FMCW photo radar sources such as MRCD and MestaFusion.

Like other Escort detectors that come with the “C” moniker, the Redline 360c comes standard with both WIFI and bluetooth connectivity which allows for updates to firmware without need to connect to a computer, a nice feature.

It’s pricey, to be sure, but it’s proving worth to many well-heeled buyers and for good reason.

Pros

  • Best radar detector that’s undetectable
  • Highest levels of sensitivity to a police radar bands
  • Good detection of police laser
  • Immunity from detection by SPECTRE radar detector detectors
  • Three antennas (two front and one facing to the rear)
  • Directional arrows that can be configured to display different colors for easy radar band identification
  • Doesn’t require band segmentation to extract high performance of Ka-band detection
  • K-band segmenting can further cut down on potential falses from collision avoidance systems
  • Can display actual frequencies of police radar (good for distinguishing real police radar from non-police radar)
  • Built-in GPS
  • Firmware and photo enforcement database can easily be updated wirelessly
  • Bluetooth and WIFI add enhanced connectivity options
  • USB Smartcord now comes standard
  • Very high level of construction quality both internally and externally
  • Good BMS filtering (important)
  • Magnetic quick release mount makes for super quick removal and is rock solid and vibration free
  • Can easily mount alongside Escort’s new M2 dash camera
  • Easy wireless updating of firmware
  • Exceptional build quality

Cons

  • Very slow to alert to K-band
  • No rear detection of X-band
  • Display is small and hard to read in many lighting conditions
  • Directional arrow transitions can be sluggish
  • Inconsistent signal ramp-up alerts
  • Does not provide directional arrows for MultaRadar and police laser

Escort Redline 360c Reviews Summary:

Even with its idiosyncrasies, the Escort Redline 360c is Escort’s most impressive radar detector to date.

It’s inability to be detected by Spectre RDDs should give drivers of radar detectors in banned areas piece of mind.

It’s sensitivity is right there with the very best, but its slow responsiveness to K-band radar gives us some pause–as we believe consistent quick alerting to instant-on police radar remains a most important capability of any detector.

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Escort Max 360 MkII & 360c MkII – Best Escort Conventionals

Escort Max 360c Mk II

 

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Escort’s new MAX 360 MkII and MAX 360c MkII replace that outgoing Escort MAX 360c radar detector which was getting a bit long in the tooth.

Both Mk IIs get an updated M13 platform, the same that can be found in their MAXcam 360c dashcam integrated radar detector.

This ups their sensitivities by 3dB which equates to a potential of about 40% in increased detection range over the outgoing Max 360c.

This increased sensitivity puts in the same realm of the MAXCam 360c and the Redline 360c but at a lower cost of $150 and $100 respectively and only $50 more than the Max 360c.

That’s money well spent, in our opinion.

The MAX 360c Mk II comes with some filtering improvements and as a result makes it one of the more quiet radar detectors currently available.

The Mk II also comes with 5Ghz WIFI which could be handy for in-vehicle WIFI hotspots.

And like the MAXcam 360c , the Max 360c Mk II is not a stealth detector, like the Redline 360c, however especially today, being undetectable by SPECTRE RDDs is merely academic as a recent experience proved.

So in short, think of the MAX 360c Mk II as a MAX 360c with better range, processing, and filtering for $50 more over their predecessors.

Pros

  • Best radar detectors of the Escort MAX series of detectors to date
  • Detection range on par with the best radar detectors today
  • Class leading filtering of K-band collision avoidance systems
  • Good detection of police lasers
  • Detects FMCW radar sources such as MultaRadar and MestaFusion
  • Exceptional quickness and ability to detect instant-on police radars
  • Directional arrows that can be configured to display different colors for easy radar band identification
  • Doesn’t require band segmentation to extract high performance of Ka-band detection
  • Can display actual frequencies of police radar (good for distinguishing real police radar from non-police radar)
  • Built-in GPS for variable speed-sensitive sensitivity and photo enforcement database
  • Firmware and photo enforcement database can easily be updated wirelessly
  • Bluetooth and WIFI add enhanced connectivity options
  • USB Smartcord now comes standard
  • Very high level of construction quality both internally and externally
  • Magnetic quick release mount makes for super quick removal and is rock solid and vibration free
  • Can easily mount alongside Escort’s new M2 dash camera

Cons

  • Multi-color OLED display can be hard to read at times in bright sunlight (but increases longevity of the display)
  • Overly long trailing alerts which continue to sound even when radar or laser source is no longer present
  • Does not provide directional arrows for MultaRadar & police laser detections

Escort Max 360c Mk II Reviews Summary:

Simply put, the Escort MAX 360 Mk II and Max 360c Mk II remain a solid choices and both are among the best detectors currently available.

The Escort MAX 360 Mk II is the same radar detector as the MAX 360c but without built-in WIFI, so its performance is equal.

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Escort MAXcam 360c – Best Dashcam Integrated

Escort MAXcam 360c

 

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Cedar Electronics, the parent company of both Escort and Cobra, made their first foray into a combination radar detector and dash camera several years ago with the attractive Cobra Road Scout.

The Road Scout provided high quality videos, however, the platform was based upon a Cobra design, which was frankly inferior to Escort’s higher end radar detectors, so in effect, the detector was trying to be a jack of all trades, but was ultimately being a master of none.

Even so, it provided good detection performance and was very cool looking, but it simply wasn’t up to the performance of Escort radar detectors.

Up until the release of the Escort MAXcam 360c, the only option available to the driver interested in having high levels of detection performance and video, was the use of the Escort M1 (and now M2) video camera that piggy-backed along side Escort detectors.

With the new Escort MAXcam 360c Escort, fans now have an integrated dash camera and high performance radar detector. In terms of its detection performance, the MAXcam 360c performs at a higher level than the Max 360c Mk II and is performs nearly as well to Escort’s Redline 360c.

To be sure, its price tag of $849 makes this the most costly radar detector ever.

But in the context of combining both a radar detector and dash cam function, the Escort MAXcam 360c is actually a good value.

Pros

  • Escort’s best radar detector and dash cam combo
  • Extreme sensitivity to all police radar bands (X-band, K-band, 33.8 & 34.7 & 35.5 Ka-band) only second to the Redline 360c
  • Dual antennas
  • Directional arrows for maximum situational awareness to all radar and laser threats from the front and from behind
  • A bogey counter to inform you of how many radar signals there are at any given moment and what radar band is the most important to be concerned with
  • Very good BSM filtering
  • Construction quality both externally and internally
  • High quality video dash camera

Cons

  • Does not provide directional arrows for MultaRadar and police laser detections
  • Multi-color OLED display is small and hard to read at times in bright sunlight

Escort MAXcam 360c Reviews Summary:

For those wishing to reduce the clutter of electronics in their vehicle, the Escort MAXcam 360c is a worthy offering that no longer requires its owner to compromise performance with a combined dash cam and radar detector.

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Uniden R4: Best Under $400

Uniden R4

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The new Uniden R4 replaces the Uniden R3 as Uniden’s top performing single-antenna radar detector.

The Uniden R4 comes with an improved design and more features, while building upon the already exceptional performance of the R3 by incorporating dual LNAs (low noise amplifiers).

The result is a radar detector that offers an approximate 4dB increase in sensitivity.

This translates to a potential increase in detection range by about 60%, not an inconsequential amount.

Beyond sheer performance increases, the Uniden R4 sports a number of new features and capabilities, including Sensys Gatso detection, better filtering, bluetooth, and integration into future Uniden countermeasure solutions.

Pros

  • Uniden’s best radar detector with a single antenna
  • Dual LNAs yielding significant performance increases
  • MRCD/MRCT & Sensys Gatso RT3/RT4 detection
  • Identification of police laser guns
  • Advanced digital signal processing (DSP)
  • Easy to program/customize settings
  • GPS with red light camera alerts
  • Free firmware & GPS database updates
  • MicroUSB connector
  • Connection interface jack to support remote control module
  • Connection interface jack to support integration with a laser jammer
  • Built-in bluetooth
  • Extremely “bright” multi-color OLED display
  • Advanced BSM filters
  • KA anti-false filter
  • Ka Narrow/Wide sweeps to maximize performance and minimize falsing on Ka-band
  • Ka-band segmentation for potentially increased performance and less falses on Ka-band
  • Individual radar band sensitivity adjustment (unique to Uniden)
  • Nearly SPECTRE RDD undetectable
  • Single & dual suction cup brackets included (unique to Uniden)
  • Cigarette adapter with MUTE KEY and USB and DAISY CHAIN jacks

Cons

  • Tough to think of any

Uniden R4 Reviews Summary:

Quite simply, the Uniden R4 is the best radar detector with a single antenna currently on the market.

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Uniden R3: Best Under $300

Uniden R3

 

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Uniden’s re-entry into the radar detector industry several years ago has shaken the industry up big time.

The Uniden R3 offers extreme performance and advanced features like dedicated K-band filtering, K and Ka band narrow sweeps (to increase performance and minimize falsing), band selectable sensitivity, and Multa Radar detection.

The non-GPS Uniden R1 has been discontinued.

Pros

  • Best value-priced radar detector from Uniden
  • Advanced digital signal processing (DSP)
  • Extreme radar sensitivity across all radar bands
  • Easy to program/customize settings
  • GPS with red light camera alerts
  • Good BSM filtering (important)
  • Free GPS database updates
  • Updateable via USB connection to PC
  • Extremely “bright” multi-color OLED display
  • Special K anti-false filter
  • KA anti-false filter
  • Ka Narrow/Wide sweeps to maximize performance and minimize falsing on Ka-band
  • Ka-band segmentation for potentially increased performance and less falses on Ka-band
  • Among the top Multa Radar detection capabilities available
  • Individual radar band sensitivity adjustment (unique to Uniden)
  • Nearly SPECTRE RDD undetectable (but NOT undetectable, despite some claims to the contrary)
  • Single & dual suction cup brackets included (unique to Uniden)
  • Cigarette adapter with MUTE KEY and USB JACK
  • Great price points for both models

Cons

  • Laser sensitivity could use improvement

 

Uniden R3 Reviews Summary:

The Uniden R3 remains extremely well-suited for both city and highway driving.

Both radar detectors offer extreme performance for less cost than other manufacturers’ top models.

For those wanting directional arrows but with slightly better performance, the Uniden R7 is the natural alternative.

To get higher performance from Uniden, the newer R4 and the R8. detectors.

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Whistler Titan – Best at CAS Filtering

Whistler Titan

 

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This Whistler Titan review has been a long time coming.

I expected to publish a review about it at the end of 2020, but the COVID pandemic evolved into causing worldwide disruptions of supply chains, especially semi-conductor production, and so the Whistler Titan had been delayed for nearly two years!

Even though the Whistler Titan has been nearly two years, the radar detector is regarded as Whistler’s 50th anniversary edition. Whistler incorporates digital signal processing (DSP) and improved circuitry with the Titan and it shows.

The end result is, that after many years, Whistler finally has a radar detector that can consistently compete with the best radar detectors available today.

The Titan is a capable of alerting to weak signals on par with the top ranked detectors here while also proving to be the most false-resistant to collision avoidance systems, fairing better than every other detector on this list. This top-of-the-line detector is an absolute pleasure to drive with.

Pros

  • Can keep up with the top dogs
  • MRCD/MRCT detection
  • Incredibly quiet and false-resistant to K-band CAS systems
  • Extensive programming and configuration options
  • Integrated GPS
  • Photo Enforcement Database
  • Best of breed BSM/CAS filtering
  • Solid construction quality both externally and internally
  • Nearly SPECTRE RDD undetectable
  • Best arrowing transitioninin the business
  • Good BSM filtering

Cons

  • Wish it were priced $50 less
  • Trailing alerts can be too quick

Whistler Titan Reviews Summary:

Quite simply, the Uniden R4 is the best radar detector with a single antenna currently on the market.

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Uniden R9: Best Radar Detector, Money No Object ($3999.99)

Uniden R9 Radar Detector & Laser Jammer

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Custom installed systems often consist of both a radar detecting and laser jamming and the Uniden R9 is no exception.

The Uniden R9 is the top dog when it comes to customer installed systems and is the top performing system we’ve ever driven with, not just in its performance with police radar, but police laser, as well.

The Uniden R9 comes complete with front and rear radar antennas, six laser jamming heads, a GPS module, external speaker, a full multi-colored display module, keypad, and connecting and mounting components.

Uniden R9 Review Summary:

The radar detection and laser jamming performance it second to none and it’s priced lower than other remote systems.

Unlike other laser jamming systems, like the AL Priority, which recommend the use of four jamming heads–on either side of the vehicle–to effectively jam Dragon Eye police lidars, the Uniden R9 offers superior jamming performance with only three heads.

The ability to be able to purchase this custom installed unit directly from RadarBusters can result in a savings of thousands of dollars over purchasing it from a custom install shop that may attempt to sell the hardware at a price higher than the MSRP, set by the manufacturer.

Uniden R9 In-depth Video Review:

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Pros

  • Best radar detection & laser jamming performance
  • Least expensive remote system (by up to $1000)
  • Most complete package available, requiring no optional purchases
  • All the Pros of the Uniden R8 apply to the Uniden R9
  • Customizable K-band filtering with minimal penalty to legitimate K-band police radar
  • Provides superior laser jamming performance compared to other systems–like the AL Priority and Escort–with less hardware

Cons

  • Nascent dealer network (RadarBusters can assist in locating a quality installer)
  • Some installers may attempt to charge more than the MSRP
  • Be mindful of bait-and-switch attempts by installers of competitive products
  • Requires researching quality and reasonably priced installers (RadarBusters can help)

Conclusion

All of the best radar detectors reviewed here are worthy of providing excellent protection from police radar and police laser traffic enforcement; provide high levels of filtering out of false alarms; and will pay for themselves many times over with the savings of speeding ticket fines and costs associated with higher insurance premiums as a result of points that would otherwise be assessed on your motor vehicle abstract.

We suggest picking a one that appeals to your priorities, has features you like, and is priced right for your budget.

In terms of what detectors to avoid at all costs, stay away from any detector that is being sold as a passive radar scramble jammer as they are bogus products despite any claim to the contrary by their manufacturer.

To learn more about what makes a radar detector the best, we suggest you watch the following video entitled: what makes the best radar detectors, the best?

What makes the best radar detectors, the best? RadarBusters gives you the answers.

 

Thanks for reading and remember to drive safely, but most importantly, protected!

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